|With Lauren Ash and Nico Santos|
for NBC's "Summer Press Day"
Beverly Hilton hotel, Beverly Hills,
March 20, 2017
Tonight, we get to see an important episode of this second season, as Matteo (Nico Santos) deals with the repercussions of the revelation of his relationship with Jeff (Michael Bunin) – which includes being forced to transfer to a different store. The episode, titled “Matteo’s Last Day,” is also notable in that it was directed by that series’ multi-faceted star, America Ferrera.
I spoke with Santos and with Lauren Ash – aka Dina, although in her glam blue hostess-pant outfit, you’d never see the resemblance – about tonight’s episode, the future of Superstore in season three, and what they’d like to see happen for their characters.
Must-Hear TV: How does life at Cloud 9 change now that Dina and Matteo’s secrets are out?
Nico Santos: We’re out of the closet now! As you saw from the end of the last episode, Matteo has to transfer stores for the romance to work. So this next episode – which America directed, and is a lot of fun – is titled “Matteo’s Last Day.” To what capacity, the audience will just have to wait and see. But there’s a lot of drama that happens with his undocumented status, and with Jeff, there’s some drama.
MHTV: I’ve been fooled by the show before, like with the walkout at the end of season 1.
NS: Well if you thought the season 1 finale with the walkout was crazy…
Lauren Ash: …You’ll have to wait for the season 2 finale. Which we can’t give details about, but…
NS: …It makes the season 1 finale look weak!
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LA: What I will say is I don’t know how they’re going to get us out of it, and I don’t know that they know how they’re going to get us out of it. Which is amazing.
MHTV: I wrote a book about Will & Grace, and those writers used to say that every season they deliberately painted themselves into a corner with the finale, because the fun was figuring your way out.
LA: Absolutely. That was also Dexter. That constantly happened at the end of seasons of that show, where it was like, “Now what?!” Not that we’re a murdering type show, but… Who knows!
MHTV: Would you think it was unusual if you found out Dina had a closet full of bodies?
LA: I feel like she’s too much of a rule follower to actually commit a murder, but….
NS: Matteo would totally have bodies.
LA: Yeah, he would bury a body for sure. But there’s great stuff coming up. Obviously the Dina/Garrett storyline is so much fun. Yes, they know that they are sleeping together, and that they like sleeping together – but they also hate each other. So it’s pretty fun. I think it’s a great metaphor for modern romance and dating, in the app world that we live in, where people date a bunch of people at the same time. It’s kind of a different world than it was even like 10 years ago. So there’s some really fun stuff coming. And the other thing we can tease is that this season’s second-to-last episode does not set foot in the store. That’s a first. Because we’ve seen us outside the store, but we’ve never had an episode that’s completely out of the store. Fans are going to go crazy.
MHTV: Is it set at some kind of retreat?
NS: We’ve said too much!
MHTV: How does Dina and Garrett’s relationship change now that everyone knows? And how does it change life in the store?
LA: It’s somewhat business as usual, but now that the other characters know, their awkwardness is a fun thing. We explore that [tonight’s] episode for sure. How does this define them in the workplace? Because they’re not in a relationship, they’re not married, they’re not engaged, they’re into even dating – in fact they hate each other. But they do have this existing connection which has to be acknowledged. But how do you acknowledge it? There’s really fun play with the human resources aspect of what that would look like.
MHTV: Yes! If Matteo has to leave because of Jeff, then…
LA: Exactly. So what does that mean? And Matteo and Jeff is a real relationship, but we don’t know what this is [with Dina and Garrett.]
MHTV: But this is almost worse, because it could go wrong in so many different ways.
LA: That’s right! And the other great thing about tonight’s episode is that America directed it, which I don’t feel is getting enough press. I think that should be out there more! Because she did a fucking killer job! She was great! It was amazing. No one knows the show better than us, and so what a gift, to have somebody who knows and has been there literally from day one be your director!
MHTV: Comparing the show to The Office, I think it’s pretty clear that Dina is very similar to Dwight, the weird rule followers. Would you say that, Lauren? And Nico, who would be Matteo’s Office counterpart?
LA: I have to admit something, and I don’t normally do this because I feel bad about it, but I actually didn’t watch The Office.
MHTV: You were in Canada!
LA: But I did watch the British Office, that’s the thing. So people often bring up “you’re the female Dwight.” And I love the comparison, because I know he was a beloved character and he’s so funny. But any similarities were not deliberate. I don’t really have a frame of reference for him.
MHTV: I would think some of it comes from the writing.
LA: I think some of it is, certainly. But I think ultimately, we all know somebody like that. There’s always somebody in our lives who is that stick-in-the-mud, for lack of a more modern term. So there’s something relatable about that archetype. I think some people think I’m doing an impression of him, which is not the case. I wouldn’t even know where to begin. But any comparisons to that show are amazing. That show was so successful and had so much heart, and people loved it. So that’s a great statement.
NS: I’m also not that familiar with a lot of characters from the Office. But in season 1 of our show, people were asking, “Is Matteo like a Dwight-esque character as well?” And I don’t think so.
MHTV: I don’t know who he would be.
NS: He’s Pam!
MHTV: I was thinking maybe Angela. They were both uptight, but had a romantic side.
NS: Okay, I’ll take that!
MHTV: Angela also dated a gay man!
LA: But Parks & Rec I think is another comparison you can make. A show which I loved. And again, there’s Ron Swanson. He isn’t necessarily like Dina or Dwight, but is. It’s still that kind of character. The really strong, confident, bold type.
MHTV: But completely out of touch.
NS: That’s the thing about our show. You watch it, and you see somebody like Dina and somebody like Matteo or Garrett, and you realize, “Oh, I’ve worked with them before!” We all play somebody who people have worked with before.
MHTV: Why is everybody so mean to poor Sandra?
LA: For the most part, it’s Dina being mean to Sandra. People often ask me why, and my answer is always to say that I think Dina just smells weakness. If Sandra were super-confident, Dina wouldn’t mess with her. But because there’s a vulnerability there, she doesn’t respect her.
NS: It’s so crazy, because Kaliko Kauahi, who plays Sandra, is so not her character. She’s amazing. She’s from the islands, very low-key. She’s got a very laid-back, Hawaiian attitude. So it’s so funny to see her portray Sandra, and people expect her to be that meek person, but she’s not.
LA: She’s so sweet, too. I feel bad screaming in her face.
MHTV: Superstore did something great, which was adding more secondary characters over time as they proved themselves popular. Was that the case with Sandra, and Marcus the warehouse guy, and Myrtle?
NS: Somebody like Johnnny Pemberton who plays Bo, Kaliko as Sandra, Jon Barinholtz as Marcus – these three actors have really added so much to our show. From the moment they were on the show for their first appearances, they meshed well. I’m excited for them to get more into the show, and for other additions in the near future.
LA: Because the reality of those stores is that people come and go like crazy. You have some people who have been there for 30 years, and some who have been there for 3 weeks. And there’s a lot of turnover. So it’s great, because it opens up the writers to trying different people and characters. Certainly, a character like Sandra, the audience responded to right away. So it would have been silly for them not to pursue that. And she’s become a huge storyline this season.
MHTV: Lauren, has any of your real-life experiences at [Canadian retailer] Zellers been pitched as storylines?
LA: So many have been pitched…
MHTV: Have any landed?
LA: No! They love them but they haven’t done any of them yet. So I’ve got to keep pushing. There are some good ones that I feel like we’ll get into the show for sure eventually.
MHTV: What do you hope happens in season 3 for each of your characters?
NS: I really hope that we get to meet some members of Matteo’s family. We almost never see a Filipino family on television. Crazy Ex-Girlfriend is the first time. And just like with any other family, Filipinos are just kind of crazy. So I would love for our audiences to be introduced to them.
MHTV: Who do you want your parents to be?
NS: America is actually really trying to pitch me portraying my own mom! Which I would do!
LA: Nico Santos, Nico Santos and Nico Santos!
NS: We’ll do a Nutty Professor thing. I would love it!
MHTV: How about for Dina? What would you like us to see in season 3?
LA: Dina’s birds! This is the thing that the fans are crying out to see on social media. And I have been pushing to Justin, so we’ll see. We’ve talked about them so much, and what is it they say – “if you’re going to pull out a gun, you have to use it”? So I think we have to see the birds.
MHTV: What do you think Dina’s birds have been trained to say?
LA: They pledge allegiance to the flag. I think she runs them through military drills. I just think it would be such a gift to see that. There have been people on twitter who have also been pitching that Camryn Manheim should play my mother on the show, and that’s actually awesome! Not that I’m suggesting that she looks old enough to be my mother at all, but I think she’s amazing.
MHTV: She’d be a young mother, which would explain a lot about Dina’s upbringing.
LA: Exactly! And I think it would be great to see Dina’s mother, somebody in Dina’s family who makes Dina look like Sandra. I would like to see the person in Dina’s life who makes her shut down, whoever that may be. Someone from her past. And, the other thing that I’ve forgotten to say earlier: America and I are pushing so hard that Dina and Amy knew each other in high school, and we want to see a flashback. This is our dream. We have been pushing this with [executive producer] Justin [Spitzer], and he keeps giggling and saying “okay…” But I love the idea that they went to high school together! My opinion has always been that Dina would consider Amy to be her best friend, even though there’s no basis for that. We never see each other after work.
MHTV: I can’t imagine Dina has a lot of female friends.
LA: She has no friends! But in her mind, she thinks Amy is her best friend. Which I always improv into different things, “Well, she’s my best friend, so…” So I’d love to see what that dynamic was.